“The Free Exchange”
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Under normal circumstances, “The
Free Exchange” is posted on the Wednesday after the comment has been received.
However, since I have been on hiatus for so long, many of you have not received
responses to your comments in quite a long time. Since my return, the comments
have been stacking up and in order not to show any disrespect for the
thoughtful queries that you have presented to me, I have labored to respond to
each one while writing new material. The result is a massive 21-page Free
Exchange article that answers every single comment that has since been
unanswered. This week, instead of a typical article, I am posting this Free
Exchange article. Henceforth, though, “The Free Exchange” will return to its
sacred place in the middle of the week—on Wednesdays.
Also, before I respond to your
excellent challenges and comments, I would like to take yet another opportunity
to thank all of you who read this blog. Your readership and contributions make Black
and Red what it is—exactly what I had always dreamt it to be—a place where intelligent
political conversation can thrive. Without you, this is just another dark
corner on the web where a guy talks to himself.
Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!
-J. Hunter
This
week, Carolyn Hyppolite addresses: “The Free
Exchange.”
Carolyn’s
comments are in white. Mine are in green.
I
am sorry for not posting earlier. Christmas is distracting!
I have to disagree with you that libertarians are not concerned about virtue. Libertarians believe that human beings have natural rights, which cannot be abridged and that is fundamental to a virtuous society. The first of such principle is liberty and non-agression. If one assumes that the person is free and own's his body, than laws that violates this principle are most immoral because they violate the person's natural rights.
Secondly, libertarians are not necessarily not concerned about vices but rather believe that government, as a coercive monopolist, ought not to regulate such matters. Under libertarian principles, I can freely submit myself to the rigid dictates of Catholic canon law just as you can freely choose not to submit yourself. But state power offers no such options. Under the state, we are subject to things, like blue laws whether we want to or not.
Of course, there are libertarians on both sides abortion debate. I would be happy to comment on that if you like.
Peace in Christ,
CKH
carolynhyppolite.blogspot.com
I have to disagree with you that libertarians are not concerned about virtue. Libertarians believe that human beings have natural rights, which cannot be abridged and that is fundamental to a virtuous society. The first of such principle is liberty and non-agression. If one assumes that the person is free and own's his body, than laws that violates this principle are most immoral because they violate the person's natural rights.
Secondly, libertarians are not necessarily not concerned about vices but rather believe that government, as a coercive monopolist, ought not to regulate such matters. Under libertarian principles, I can freely submit myself to the rigid dictates of Catholic canon law just as you can freely choose not to submit yourself. But state power offers no such options. Under the state, we are subject to things, like blue laws whether we want to or not.
Of course, there are libertarians on both sides abortion debate. I would be happy to comment on that if you like.
Peace in Christ,
CKH
carolynhyppolite.blogspot.com
Thank you so much for
reading, commenting and for wishing me well, Carolyn.
Please know, that I think of
you every time I write a sentence with the word “libertarian.” I look forward to your challenges on issues
like this because I am fascinated by political ideology.
To respond, first, to your
general objection, I base everything I know about libertarianism—however much
that may be—on statements and claims by other prominent libertarians. Most
recently, Jeffrey Miron, Senior Fellow at the Cato Institute, wrote a book
called “Libertarianism, from A to Z.” In a book event, hosted at Cato, Miron
described his approach to solving problems—and the approach that libertarians
should emulate—as one that relegates questions of morality to questions of
“practicality.”[1]
The most famous libertarian
who openly despised religion was probably Ayn Rand, herself. Rand, a
libertarian standard bearer, infamously remarked that Bill Buckley was too
intelligent to believe in Christianity.
Libertarians, like Frank
Meyer, famously dismissed the writings of traditional conservatives, like L.
Brent Bozell Jr., for his dependence on his Catholic
religiosity to inform his political worldview.
The libertarian position on
social issues like prostitution, abortion, narcotics and humanitarian
intervention (of the military variety) are simply inconsistent with virtue. How
can government decriminalization and regulation of prostitution, for example,
be construed as anything other than a tacit endorsement of such a horrible
institution? The same question can be asked about the libertarian position on
illicit drugs and abortion. (By the way, I would love for you to share your
view on libertarianism and abortion.) From where does libertarianism unearth an
American’s right to do wrong?
To your second point, I
believe that this is the basic reason why libertarianism fails to connect with
most Americans: Unless I am misunderstanding your argument, libertarians
recognize that virtue and vice exist, but believe that government should remain
neutral on the issue—endorsing neither. On the other hand, conservatives and
liberals simply disagree about what exactly is virtuous and what is vice, but
both believe that government should endorse virtue and punish vice. Liberty in and of itself
is not a virtue, and both, traditional conservatives and liberals agree with
that point.
I trust that, when you find
time, you will deliver a wonderful response to my claims. I gladly welcome your
thoughts.
NSangoma
responds to “The Smutty Professor.” NSangoma’s comments are in red. Mine are in
green.
William
F Buckley rejected you, BLACK and UNREAD, Negroe.
Irrefragable BLACK and UNREAD Negroe, means impossible to refute:
...
[T]he legality of the 14th amendment. ... The argument that it was improperly ratified is historically irrefragable...
Martin Luther King will never rouse a rabble; in fact, I doubt very much if he could keep a rabble awake... past its bedtime...
Martin Luther King... [his] lecture... delivered with all the force and fervor of the five-year-old who nightly recites: "Our Father, Who art in New Haven, Harold be Thy name"...
The central question... is whether the White community in the South is entitled to take such measures as are necessary to prevail, politically and culturally, in areas in which it does not predominate numerically? The sobering answer is Yes.... National Review believes that the South's premises are correct...
The axiom... was Universal Suffrage. Everyone inAmerica is entitled to the vote....
That, of course, is demagogy.... The great majority of the Negroes of the South
who do not vote do not care to vote, and would not know for what to vote if
they could. ...
William F Buckley, National Review
Your IgNence conservative Negroe am incontestable, no undeniable.
Latin irrefragabilis , from Latin in- , "not" + refragari , "to oppose."
http://dictionary.reference.com/wordoftheday/archive/2003/08/21.html
Irrefragable BLACK and UNREAD Negroe, means impossible to refute:
...
[T]he legality of the 14th amendment. ... The argument that it was improperly ratified is historically irrefragable...
Martin Luther King will never rouse a rabble; in fact, I doubt very much if he could keep a rabble awake... past its bedtime...
Martin Luther King... [his] lecture... delivered with all the force and fervor of the five-year-old who nightly recites: "Our Father, Who art in New Haven, Harold be Thy name"...
The central question... is whether the White community in the South is entitled to take such measures as are necessary to prevail, politically and culturally, in areas in which it does not predominate numerically? The sobering answer is Yes.... National Review believes that the South's premises are correct...
The axiom... was Universal Suffrage. Everyone in
William F Buckley, National Review
Your IgNence conservative Negroe am incontestable, no undeniable.
Latin irrefragabilis , from Latin in- , "not" + refragari , "to oppose."
http://dictionary.reference.com/wordoftheday/archive/2003/08/21.html
Thank you for commenting, NSangoma, and thank you
for defining irrefragable for my readers. One of the many things I love about
William F. Buckley is his command of the English language.
On that
note, I’d like to commend to you a different word—germane. (Germane is just a
fancy word for relevant.)
I do not
understand how your criticism of Buckley is germane to the topic of liberal
indocrination at American universities. Your argument is a non-sequitur:
Because A was incorrect in his stance on X, A must therefore be incorrect in
his stance on the unrelated Y. Should we ignore Martin Luther King’s views on
racial equality because he was a womanizer? Of course not! Should we ignore any
of your opinions because you have fallen on the wrong side of any issue?
Surely, no.
To
understand the correlation between the controversy at Northwestern University
and William F. Buckley, I would recommend that you read Buckley’s seminal work
“God and Man at Yale.” Even if you don’t agree with him, you’re sure to expand
your lexicon.
To address
Buckley’s quote, I am perfectly comfortable admitting that he may have been
wrong on some civil rights issues. As you may know, the 1960s was a difficult
time for America
and many people said many things that they have come to regret. To understand
Buckley, or anyone else commenting on segregation and race relations in that
time period, one must understand that.
Be that as
it may, as I read the quote, there is not much with which I disagree. That is
not because I am a Buckley apologist, but because I have a talent (some call it
a skill, or even a curse or defect) that allows me to divorce my emotions from
highly emotional subjects. Sometimes, that tendency leads me to proper
conclusions, and other times my failure to appreciate this palpable intangible
substance that exists in political discussions leads me to incorrect conclusions.
That said, there are elements of the quote that appear to be prescient and
applicable today—especially pertaining to the most controversial segment of his
argument, that which relates to Negro voting.
Ask
yourself, for example, what percentage of black Americans participate in
election politics. Then, ask why polls show that black Americans are an outlier
when it comes to judging the direction of the country and the president’s job
approval. In other words, vast majorities of Americans of every color, sans
black, believe that the president is leading the nation in the wrong direction,
but black Americans are convinced otherwise despite their lowered economic and
social status since Obama has taken office. That suggests to me an epidemic of
underdeveloped political acumen in the black community, as well as an
irrational adherence to a tribal loyalty—both issues being completely
incompatible with participation in a functioning democracy. The lack of black
participation in electoral politics, especially given the relative ease with
which blacks are allowed to vote compared to the 1960s, suggests that today
“The great majority of Negroes…who do not vote do not care to vote…” The
inverse relationship between black espirit de corps’ and the palpable dread
shared by every other ethnic group in the country about the nation’s direction,
especially given that the fate of the United States determines the fate of
American blacks, supports the latter half of the controversial segment of
Buckley’s quote. Negroes “would not know for what to vote if they could.”
I look
forward to your reply. Thanks for reading.
Roderick
and Anonymous also respond to “The Smutty Professor.” Roderick’s comments are
in orange. Anonymous’ are in yellow. Mine are in green.
I
agree that the demonstration was over the top but were the students told of the
demonstration in advance and after it began were they allowed to leave?
If either of those two options were avaliable then I don't understand the issue because the class was a study on human sexuality after all.
If either of those two options were avaliable then I don't understand the issue because the class was a study on human sexuality after all.
First
of all to NSangoma.... feel better about your self now that you got that off of
your chest? I would have to go into agreement with Roderick. If you were
informed ahead of time of the demonstration and had an option to leave then the
issue should be mute. This after all took place on a college campus not a high
school gymnasium. Drop the hormones and religious agenda from the issue and see
it for it's intellectual purposes.
I admit that the most
frustrating part of this controversy is that one side insists that the debate
should be about consent, whereas I am making (or am trying to make) an argument
about puerility and the function of the American university. American students
are competing in a global market against foreigners who come to American
universities to learn important things. Here at Northwestern, that point is
quite evident. University education is very expensive, and Americans barely
stomach the fact that there are so many useless degrees (African American
studies, women’s studies, Chicano studies, etc.). There is a serious debate about how useful
some of these classes are, and at what point they go from legitimate education
to becoming political indoctrination. Add to the list of questionable academic
endeavors a Human Sexuality course. On the one hand, tuition paying parents,
donors and interested observers are willing to grimace and offer moral and
financial support to the institutions that offer these classes under the
insistence of academics that these topics are pursued purely in the interest of
advancing true knowledge. However, when Bailey invited the sex workers to his
class to “perform,” it became much more difficult to sell, not just the
usefulness of his class, but also the usefulness of the Northwestern degree and
of a college education. A student who attended that event surely learned
nothing that could not have been learned by simply going to a typical sex show.
Furthermore, whatever knowledge was gained cannot be discussed academically or
in polite company. The sex show lacked intellectual substance. What Bailey did
hurt academia’s argument.
Why was Bailey’s decision
inappropriate? Not simply because it was indecent—and it was—but also because
it was injurious to the school, the reputation of his defenders and, as a
result, to those who continue to defend the expensive college experience.
I look forward to other
thoughts you may have on this matter. Thank you for participating.
BJ,
Anonymous and Kazador commented on “Progressive Conservatism.” BJ’s comments
are in blue. Anonymous’ are in yellow and Kazador’s comments are in lavender.
Mine are in green.
Welcome
back! I am so happy to see your blog return to the internet airwaves. Believe
it or not, you are giving back by doing this. I would welcome your writing even
once a month if things get too busy, but it's great to see its return.
I love these political theory discussions. I agree that the so-called progressive ideas are not new with a few exceptions such as same-sex marriage. Their idea of income redistribution by big government/forced equality of result is an old, Marxist idea that was put in place in the oldSoviet Union , Cambodia ,
and other such places in the last hundred years. Their environmental
worshipping ideas are arguably based on pre-Bible, nature worshipping ideas of
the ancient times. On the other hand, conservative ideas try to preserve and
sustain the ideas and values of our Founding Fathers from the late 1700's.
Dennis Prager was so right when he said that everything with the left is backwards. They are the ones truly stuck in the 1960's "past." Every foreign conflict is the Vietnam War (Persian Gulf War, Iraq War, Afghanistan, Kosovo); still fighting racism against blacks and sexism whether it exists to day on that scale or not; still fighting corporate greed with today's version of the "Great Society" and its war on poverty such as the stimulus package and the Community Reinvestment Act; still for reverse racism known as affirmative action etc.
I look forward to many more of your insights.
I love these political theory discussions. I agree that the so-called progressive ideas are not new with a few exceptions such as same-sex marriage. Their idea of income redistribution by big government/forced equality of result is an old, Marxist idea that was put in place in the old
Dennis Prager was so right when he said that everything with the left is backwards. They are the ones truly stuck in the 1960's "past." Every foreign conflict is the Vietnam War (Persian Gulf War, Iraq War, Afghanistan, Kosovo); still fighting racism against blacks and sexism whether it exists to day on that scale or not; still fighting corporate greed with today's version of the "Great Society" and its war on poverty such as the stimulus package and the Community Reinvestment Act; still for reverse racism known as affirmative action etc.
I look forward to many more of your insights.
Thank you, BJ, for your unwavering support and encouragement. So
often I am up late at night, even into the pre-dawn morning hours, researching
and writing blog articles. You never fail—despite your own busy schedule—to
read these essays and write such thoughtful and intelligent replies. You keep
me motivated, and for that, I truly thank you.
I plan to take you up on your offer to write monthly if I get bogged
down again.
I think it is important for conservatives to fight the rhetoric of
the left as much as possible, and to a great degree we do so rather
successfully. I never tire of making the comparisons between liberal policies
and other obsolete ideas.
Thank
God you're back.
I thank God you’re back to read me. And of course, I thank you for
doing so.
Good
show as always... I look forward to reading more and more articles as the weeks
progress.
Thank you Kazador! I hope to
continue engaging you.
Francoise
commented on “Our Stolen Generation (Murder in the First).” Francoise’s
comments are in grey. Mine are in green.
Disgusting. I'm pregnant and intending
to raise and love my child, I'm looking at pictures of ultrasounds online and I
come upon this on the first line of results.
Great job, people. The power of hatred.
Great job, people. The power of hatred.
Francoise,
Thank you for reading and
commenting. God bless you for your intention to raise and love your child. Your
little baby will learn how fortunate he/she is to have such a wonderful mother
as a nurturer.
Abortion, in my view, truly
is an institution of hatred. It’s hatred not only for the innocent baby who is
murdered, but it is hatred of God.
God gives us so many
gifts—even the most destitute among us share in these God-given gifts. For
someone to murder an innocent human being in pursuit of a “higher or sustained
quality of life,” they are doing so, in effect, for the sake of material
wealth. In other words, we are breaking
God’s commandment for material greed—idols, as it were. What could be more
ungrateful or disdainful of God?
Every time I am able to
debate abortion proponents fully, it always comes down to this undeniable fact.
(I had such a debate three weeks ago.)
The “Our Stolen Generation”
series will continue.
BJ
comments on “The Conservative Heart.” BJ’s comments are in blue. Mine are in
green.
Joe,
I can't tell you how refreshing it is to have Black and Red back. And after all the recent events in my personal life, it is wonderful to take a peaceful moment to read your writing and insight about what's happening to our beloved country. I say all this because I really, truly love this analysis. You told me a condensed version of this before but this article illuminates a point that's so true.
I am very disturbed by the left-wing direction that our country has been moving towards, with Obamacare being the greatest example. However, I am even more sick and disturbed about how left-leaning the Republican Party has become. As much as I love President Bush, he had some left-leanings fiscally and in terms of expanding the size of government. Plus the nomination of McCain seemed to almost nail the title of "Democrat-lite" to the Republican Party.
This is why it is imperative that the next nominee be a solid, true conservative that's unapologetic,as you pointed out. As Prager said, I would rather lose narrowly with a true conservative (Rick Perry, Herman Cain) nominee rather than win with a half-ass conservative (McCain, Romney). We may differ here, but I'm not as focused on just winning but producing that conservative. What good is winning if what we have a watered down Democrat in our Party? Then we really will have unity in the wrong way: all leftward.
If the Republicans do nominate Romney or one of these Democrat-lite, I think we conservatives need to leave the GOP and form a different, true conservative party since it's clear that we true conservatives cannot take over the GOP. It would sink us in the short term, but the current liberal-instinct Republicans (a la Mark Kirk) being in the GOP is slowly bleeding us to death anyways. That's why I'm thankful for the Tea Party, bringing the debates right-wards.
And so this is my way of agreeing with you and that's why I'm so happy that Rick Perry entered the race. There's all this criticism against him now and that's fine. I didn't see the latest debates where people say he did so awful. But I don't understand how people can be so short-sighted. Perry cannot have done that bad, making Palin-like mistakes. If he really does suck, fine. He shouldn't be our nominee. But I don't see that he has. And in this critical time where we need an electable, all around conservative, Perry is it. There is no one else that fits the bill. So his stance on illegal immigration sucks and he maybe sucked in the debates. Fine. Let's build him up and help fix him. I want to ask many Republicans, why pile-drive on him as if he is a Democrat opponent? Romney is self-amputating himself with his stubborn, ego-laced response to Romneycare. That really does disqualify him from being the nominee, not to mention his belief in global warming and former pro-choice stance. He has NEVER explained why Romeneycare was necessary forMassachusetts . And how was it right for Mass. but not right for
the country? And if it was right for Mass. ,
then would Romney be OK if California
decided to pass a similar law for themselves? Ridiculous. There's no one else.
We need to stick by our guy and eliminates these other nominees like Romney and
Bachmann (as much as I like her) who are sinking our own ship for the future. I
am looking towards next year and we need Perry undamaged to go against Obama.
Obama himself was raw and full of stupid statements (57 states, I would talk to
any country's leader without preconditions etc) but he polished up through the
2 year campaign process. I don't understand how Republicans can just sit back,
shoot away, and criticize/kill our only chance against Obama just because Perry
hasn't done well on several debates. Talk about wanting a perfect candidate
right now.
I can't tell you how refreshing it is to have Black and Red back. And after all the recent events in my personal life, it is wonderful to take a peaceful moment to read your writing and insight about what's happening to our beloved country. I say all this because I really, truly love this analysis. You told me a condensed version of this before but this article illuminates a point that's so true.
I am very disturbed by the left-wing direction that our country has been moving towards, with Obamacare being the greatest example. However, I am even more sick and disturbed about how left-leaning the Republican Party has become. As much as I love President Bush, he had some left-leanings fiscally and in terms of expanding the size of government. Plus the nomination of McCain seemed to almost nail the title of "Democrat-lite" to the Republican Party.
This is why it is imperative that the next nominee be a solid, true conservative that's unapologetic,as you pointed out. As Prager said, I would rather lose narrowly with a true conservative (Rick Perry, Herman Cain) nominee rather than win with a half-ass conservative (McCain, Romney). We may differ here, but I'm not as focused on just winning but producing that conservative. What good is winning if what we have a watered down Democrat in our Party? Then we really will have unity in the wrong way: all leftward.
If the Republicans do nominate Romney or one of these Democrat-lite, I think we conservatives need to leave the GOP and form a different, true conservative party since it's clear that we true conservatives cannot take over the GOP. It would sink us in the short term, but the current liberal-instinct Republicans (a la Mark Kirk) being in the GOP is slowly bleeding us to death anyways. That's why I'm thankful for the Tea Party, bringing the debates right-wards.
And so this is my way of agreeing with you and that's why I'm so happy that Rick Perry entered the race. There's all this criticism against him now and that's fine. I didn't see the latest debates where people say he did so awful. But I don't understand how people can be so short-sighted. Perry cannot have done that bad, making Palin-like mistakes. If he really does suck, fine. He shouldn't be our nominee. But I don't see that he has. And in this critical time where we need an electable, all around conservative, Perry is it. There is no one else that fits the bill. So his stance on illegal immigration sucks and he maybe sucked in the debates. Fine. Let's build him up and help fix him. I want to ask many Republicans, why pile-drive on him as if he is a Democrat opponent? Romney is self-amputating himself with his stubborn, ego-laced response to Romneycare. That really does disqualify him from being the nominee, not to mention his belief in global warming and former pro-choice stance. He has NEVER explained why Romeneycare was necessary for
BJ,
Thank you for the kind
words. It is a pleasure to be writing again. I wish I could have replied to
this sooner because you and I have spoken about this and fleshed it out more
since you wrote this comment. If I understand your current position on Perry
correctly (and as you know, I am always open to correction) your support for
him has considerably cooled. Mine has too.
For me, Perry was introduced
as the great conservative hope who would come along and save the Republican
Party and the country, but when he entered the race, he proved himself to be
just a jerk. From day one, he harshly savaged Mitt Romney, and he rightfully
paid a price for doing so.
I don’t want to get into
Perry and his problems here, though. Instead, I would like to address where you
and I disagree:
While I, too, am disturbed
about the leftward direction that our country has taken, I strongly disagree
that the Republican Party is taking a turn to the left. I submit that if you
talk to liberals—especially older liberals—they will tell you that the Democrat
Party has turned to the right. To some degree, I think they are correct, and I
think that is so because Republicans deal in reality and sooner or later
Democrats must face reality themselves. For example, liberals of the past,
especially progressives, had a slash-and-burn attitude towards the wealthy. In
other words, they believed so strongly in wealth redistribution, that they did
not care what it meant for the rich. Today, that dynamic has changed, to the
point where the president is surrounded by successful Wall Street elite, and
Democrats shape their big government policies to be accommodating to the rich
in order to take advantage of support from the wealthy. Our president, with a
Democratic Congress, also failed to cancel the Bush Tax Cuts, instead waiting
until he faced fierce opposition from newly elected Republicans. A true,
ideological liberal would have addressed those tax cuts from day one.
Democrats, also, must come
to terms with the fact that (to his great credit) President Obama is a
terrorist-killing machine. Despite his campaign promises, he has not closed the
prison at Guantanamo Bay , nor has he ended the war in Afghanistan (instead, he doubled down with a
troop surge) and he led American troops into Libya
where we deposed an age-old enemy to the United States . Osama bin Laden,
Anwar al-Awlaki, Muammar Gaddafi and a slew of terrorists and Somali pirates
were all killed by the command of a Democrat president who will undoubtedly
take credit for their deaths, and not face a liberal backlash.
On what issue has the
Republican Party turned left?
I listened to a speech given
by Republican presidential hopeful, Robert Taft, given in 1940. Paul Ryan could
read those words today, and they would still apply. Republicans may change
policy positions on occasion, but they generally find their center of gravity
in conservatism.
Richard Nixon gave us
affirmative action. The Republican Party is firmly against that now.
Nixon also gave us the
Environmental Protection Agency. Today, the GOP wants to slash (if not
eliminate) it.
Ronald Reagan supported the
Simpson-Mazzoli Act—which was true
amnesty for illegal immigrants. Republicans are, today, wholly against amnesty
for illegal immigrants.
As governor of California , Reagan
signed the most liberal abortion bill in American history—the Therapeutic
Abortion Act. Mass slaughter was a result. There is not a single pro-choice
Republican running for President now.
George H.W. Bush raised our
taxes after promising not to, and Republicans dumped him.
His son expanded government
in the areas of Medicare and Education. His reputation is suffering as a
result, and Republicans widely believe it to have been a mistake.
On core issues—issues that
matter to conservatives and to the country—the Republican Party has remained
steadfast and principled. I see no leftward drift or flirtation with
liberalism.
In addition to that point,
you and I also differ as to whom we should embrace in the party. I am a big
tent Republican, one who supports moderates, libertarians, traditionalists, and
the reddest red meat that can win. If we purge Republicans who are not
ideologically pure, then we become the Democrats—a party that will not allow
dissention, individuality or fresh ideas (even misguided ones). We must always encourage
debates and new ideas. We need to debate our own—folks like Mark Kirk—and let
them know that this party is a conservative one.
Finally, I am a believer
that we should not expect our politicians to be cookie cutters. A Republican in
Maine will not hold the same views as one in Mississippi . The states
consist of different people who demand different policies of their politicians.
That said, I do not worry about Romneycare. I would not want to live under
Romneycare in Illinois —I
would move. But you must understand that Obamacare does not offer us the same
option. I must participate in Obamacare or leave America . Even if the policies are
similar, the matter of degree varies considerably. In addition to that, the
people of Massachusetts
favored Romneycare, while the American people did not favor Obamacare. To me,
those are huge differences. What is an executive to do if not the will of the
governed?
I’m sure you have noticed
that I have not written a piece about the Republican presidential candidates yet.
That’s because I’m not sold on any of them yet. Romney and I have some serious
issues to work out, and they are the issues that he must work out with the
entire conservative movement. “Mr. Romney, can you demonstrate to me that you
are a conservative in your core and not just an opportunist?” Until he answers
that question, he will continue to only enjoy tepid support from a Party that
is constantly looking for his replacement.
Romneycare isn’t the issue.
Conviction is the issue.
BJ
comments on “The Tea Party as a Movement, Not a Faction.” BJ’s comments are in
blue. Mine are in green.
This is very interesting. I agree with
what you wrote and you articulate an objective, accurate description of the Tea
Party. But I've always wanted to ask you what you personally thought of the Tea
Party Movement. Did you mention briefly to me before about how you thought
there were racist-like tendencies in the Tea Party or am I imagining things?
I first disliked the Tea Party since I'm not a fan of big protesting people anyways. But over time, I've come to LOVE this movement and even consider myself to be one of them. Bring primarily a fiscally conservative issue movement, they have changed the basic tone of the national discussion after the left-ward movement of our country thanks to Obama. I think they'll end up saving this country. This is how a democracy/republic was meant to work; the people rising up and giving orders to its government. Daniel Hannan said that the reason the British has no Tea Party is that they don't have direct primaries. Thank God for that and may God continue to bless our country.
I first disliked the Tea Party since I'm not a fan of big protesting people anyways. But over time, I've come to LOVE this movement and even consider myself to be one of them. Bring primarily a fiscally conservative issue movement, they have changed the basic tone of the national discussion after the left-ward movement of our country thanks to Obama. I think they'll end up saving this country. This is how a democracy/republic was meant to work; the people rising up and giving orders to its government. Daniel Hannan said that the reason the British has no Tea Party is that they don't have direct primaries. Thank God for that and may God continue to bless our country.
Thank you for the comment
and for the kind words, BJ.
My view of the Tea Party has
changed quite a bit since its inception, but I want to be very clear in saying
that I never thought of it as being at all racist. I reserve that term,
usually, for open racists.
In the beginning, I was
nervous about them simply because I am nervous about any mass movement. I once
attended a Second Amendment rally in downtown Chicago and ever since then, I decided that I
should probably avoid mass protests. Liberals run into this problem all of the
time: they attend a Code Pink rally because they are against the War in Iraq
and a chapter of Code Pink in another city does something deplorable. Then,
every protester is painted with the same brush. What I feared was that a Tea
Party event may go awry, somewhere, and I would be guilty by association. My
picture could appear in the newspaper much like it did when I attended the
Second Amendment rally, and I could suffer unintended consequences.
Also, in the beginning,
nobody really seemed sure what the Tea Party was really about: if it was a
libertarian movement, if it was a group angry with Republicans and Democrats
equally (and if so, was it, then, just a group of independent protesters), if
the group would materialize into something more constructive than protesters
dressed as colonists. I recall watching the reactions of conservative and
libertarian groups—The Cato Institute, for example, wavered in support for the
Tea Party, sometimes calling it a libertarian movement and sometimes
admonishing it as a mob of traditional conservatives unserious about
libertarian policies. Other conservative commentators were simply reticent
until they were clear that supporting the Tea Party would not harm their
reputation.
That said though, I’m
largely happy that they exist and that people marched and participated in them.
I understand you saying that the Tea Party will save the Union—it has galvanized
conservatives and given us the much needed morale boost to stand up to a
Democrat Party that is utterly hostile to us. In cities across the nation, the
Tea Party has reminded us that we are not alone, and that even our protesters
are decent, law-abiding people who love the institutions that make this nation
great.
Now, I have not always
agreed with the Tea Party’s tactics. I hated their support for Christine
O’Donnell. She is an absolute embarrassment, an opportunist and (at least
politically) a loser. I did not agree
with the Tea Party stance on raising the debt ceiling. I think that Cut, Cap
and Balance should have been the plan that Republicans unified around instead
of the political game of chicken that we played—and could never have won.
Furthermore, I don’t care for the Tea Party’s disdain for Speaker Boehner.
Boehner is one of my favorite Republicans, in fact. He works very hard to
advance the conservative agenda using practical methods. He should be
universally hailed as a hero of Republicanism, not castigated as “old-guard.”
In the end, you’re
right—this is democracy at its finest. It’s why I, like George Will, encourage
the Occupy movement.
To draw a quick parallel
between the two protests, and speak to American media bias, it should be noted
that the Tea Party was constantly accused, sans evidence, of being racist or
extreme. As a personal example, I was contacted by a journalist in April of
2010 to comment on the Tea Party movement. In the pre-interview stage, the
young lady asked me how I could be so supportive of a movement that was so
racist. I told her that the Tea Party was not racist at all. Reflexively, she
brought up the story about Tea Partiers spitting on and hurling epithets at
black and gay congressmen while they walked to the Capitol building to vote
against the will of the people in support of Obamacare. When I retorted that
there was no evidence to support that story despite the many media cameras
present and despite the intense desire of the media to want to advance that narrative,
she simply shrugged off my rebuttal.
She ended up not
interviewing me. I could not give her the story that she wanted—the story of a
poor, confused, black man-child who was forced to subvert his blackness in
order to be accepted by the very movement that keeps America a white-dominated society.
My point is, the media has,
for months, searched for a “gotcha moment” with the Tea Party. There are
literally hundreds of Tea Parties throughout the country, and the media has not
been able to discredit any of them with a shred of proof—anywhere. Compare this
to the Occupy movement, within which there are daily reports of anti-Semitism,
rape, murder, vandalism, drug-peddling and disorderliness.[2]
Still, though, more Americans have fond feelings for the Occupiers than for the
Tea Party.[3]
I believe that to be largely a function of media coverage.
BJ
responds to “This Week in Government Ineptitude: Illinois ’ Child Care Assistance Program.”
BJ’s comments are in blue. Mine are in green.
This
is heartbreaking and sad to read. I have a lot of experience in this area
unfortunately. Although I am a small government advocate like you, there are
areas of government that are essential and need to both improve in its quality
and better funded. The military, police, firefighters, and DCFS are all such
areas. Why we are wasting so much money on other areas but not these areas is
baffling. And I am not talking about blindly throwing money at the DCFS system.
But certainly there is no real private solution to childcare of abused and
neglected kids due to the amount they charge. And so maybe from the inception,
there should have been some private childcare organizations created. But this
is one of the few areas that needs to expand in its quality and quantity. We
owe those poor neglected and abused kids of our society that much.
BJ,
What you are offering is a
common sense, conservative solution to a problem that really does afflict this
country. Of course, we are not inconsistent in saying that our current
government is too large, wasteful and poorly managed while advocating for some
areas of government to be better funded or even expanded. In fact, I would even
argue that Americans would acquiesce to paying higher taxes if the government
engaged in objectively beneficial endeavors and more credibly staunched waste
and inefficiency.
Stephen Goldberg wrote a
fascinating book that every conservative should read. It’s called “Billions of
Drops in Millions of Buckets.” In it, Goldberg addresses the conservative
notion that government should leave philanthropy solely to the private
sector—non-profits, charities, etc. We say that as something of a throw-away
line, though. Goldberg argues that most people do not know about the serious
challenges facing philanthropic organizations. The thesis of his book is that
there are actually multiple philanthropic organizations that are duplicative,
and furthermore, the money that one organization raises for a cause may not be
sufficient enough to serve its purpose because other similar organizations
raised money for the same cause (however insufficient) as well. What results is
a situation in which 40 organizations try to single-handedly take on
homelessness, for example, on a budget of $1 million apiece. Goldberg suggests
the 40 organizations consolidate into one organization that could make a
greater difference on what would become a $40 million budget.
While the goal of this piece
was to point out the ineptitude of government agencies, your comment hammers
home a much more important aspect that I neglected to emphasize—the human cost
of this ineptitude. I hope that the sufferers are considered as we look for
political solutions to social ills.
Anonymous
comments on “Terrorism 2010.” Anonymous’ comments are in yellow. Mine are in
green.
The Nigerian Leaders will soon experience the greatest terrorist attack, if there is no provision for the unemployed Nigerian YOUTHS. This youths has plan to eliminate the lives and properties of Nigerian leaders, if they refuse to pass a bill that will allow each unemployed youths to live on #40,0000 per month. This request must take effects from 1st of december,2011.
Failure to pass the bill will make us to bomb the house assembly complex, defence headquarter and all the government in each state.
Employ us or give us something to live on. Failure to do this.............will cause chaos.
Thank you for
commenting, Anonymous.
I struggled with how to moderate your comment—either to post it and
take it seriously or ignore it as a jejune rant from an anonymous writer.
However, I found myself becoming increasingly enraged every time I read your
words, because I absolutely abhor terrorism. So you win! For that reason, I
decided to take it seriously—even though, I don’t expect you to ever read my
response or offer a counter. If you are serious, and if you do reply, I hope
you do so to tell me that you see the foolishness in your ways and have
repented. If you do not reply, I hope that you are either a prankster, or that
you died in the planning stages of your terrorist attack.
Anonymous, reading your post makes me happy to live in a civilized
country where violence and barbarism is not a political tactic. It also reminds
me of how happy I am to be black in America instead of any color in the
worthless society that people like you have created in a country so rich in
natural resources and potential. Blame colonialism for your problems, if you
wish. Blame Europe . Blame America . Blame
your politicians. What is your solution? What happens after you bomb buildings
and kill people? Does money pour into Nigeria from a magical blood fairy?
Shaun,
BJ and Anonymous respond to “Simple Solutions to a Persistent Problem Part Two:The Voting Schema.” Shaun’s comments are in pink, BJ’s are in blue and
Anonymous’ are in yellow. Mine are in green.
having
read this entry and part one, i am inclined to agree with you that option 1 is
the simplest method of reform as opposed to option 2. the sound-byte debates
are, at times, a glorified version of The Dozens, minus "mama jokes"
and stuff. not productive nor entertaining to me.
Agreed.
I think, though, that BJ has made the 2nd option more
feasible by suggesting that primaries all occur at the same time.
Thanks for reading and
commenting, Shaun.
Joe,
I wouldn't think that anything Chris Matthews says is true these days. What does that mean? That we are all some Nazi troopers listening and falling in line to our Hitler king maker Rush Limbaugh? I cannot stand Matthews. He is intellectually vapid, a bully, and a man-child who rarely gets challenged like he should.
Anyways, the only way this two stage voting could work is if you held all the primaries at the same time rather than this long, drawn out primary season. I think this timing thing is everything. The reason why you and I did not get to vote for Giuliani is that the earlier states such asIowa ,
New Hampshire , and Florida already did the nominating for the
entire party. It's silly and ridiculous to let a few select states pick our
nominee before we ever get a voice. If there was a way to have all the primary
voting on the same day earlier in the year with this two stage process, that
would be ideal.
I like both of your ideas. With the debates earlier in the year and the national two stage primary held around April or May, that would produce the most qualified and electable candidate to beat our opponents. What do you think?
I wouldn't think that anything Chris Matthews says is true these days. What does that mean? That we are all some Nazi troopers listening and falling in line to our Hitler king maker Rush Limbaugh? I cannot stand Matthews. He is intellectually vapid, a bully, and a man-child who rarely gets challenged like he should.
Anyways, the only way this two stage voting could work is if you held all the primaries at the same time rather than this long, drawn out primary season. I think this timing thing is everything. The reason why you and I did not get to vote for Giuliani is that the earlier states such as
I like both of your ideas. With the debates earlier in the year and the national two stage primary held around April or May, that would produce the most qualified and electable candidate to beat our opponents. What do you think?
Thank you BJ,
Let me begin by acknowledging your point about Mr. Matthews. It is
true that he is a bully and a windbag, and more often than not, I ignore his
rants. Matthews was implying that conservatives were marching goose-step with
the party like Nazis. If you forget that he is the messenger, and ignore his
innuendo, though, there is a kernel of truth to what he said especially with
regards to the 2008 election. To be clear, though, I only invoked Matthews
because he makes conservatives’ skin crawl—my own skin included.
You would be hard pressed to find many Republicans who were excited
to vote for McCain. I, personally, worked hard to consider the totality of the
man before I felt comfortable with him. Instead, we supported him because he
was the nominee.
On the left,
though, the love-fest could not have been more sickening.
To some degree, we fell in line and they fell in love. We just
aren’t the brain-dead Nazis who Matthews wishes we were.
For this reason, I think it is imperative that we continue to lead
the way politically, and change our nomination process so that Republicans can
rest easy with our nominees. I don’t think Republicans have been in love since
Reagan, and that was some time ago now.
Your suggestion that all of the primaries take place at the same
time would fix the most important problems that I foresaw. I, too, hate that
other states whittle down the field before the rest of the nation can choose
the candidate. I wonder if this issue has been raised before, and if so, why
there has been no serious effort to make changes. If you noticed, Jon Huntsman
sat out the debate in Las Vegas to protest Nevada moving their
primary to an earlier date in the year. Huntsman was showing solidarity with
the state of New Hampshire which was very
displeased with Nevada ’s
move. Clearly, this suggests a deeper story—a stubborn marriage to a system
that is injurious to the constituency and to the Republican Party.
I'm confused. Isn't it fairly apparent that the majority of primary voters want, above all, to win the general election? If I'm correct, then, the current system does seem to produce the primary voters' preferred choices. They chose McCain in 2008, e.g., because they thought he had the best chance to become President. They'll make the same calculation this time and likely end up with Romney or Perry.
Thank you,
Anonymous, for your comment.
You are right to suggest that primary voters want to win the
general, but the problem is that they have differing opinions about which
candidate is best suited to do so. On the one hand, you could claim that McCain
was the primary voters’ first choice. I argue, though, that voters are too
often swayed by intangibles like momentum and a feeling of inevitability. In
fact, the candidates are affected similarly—See Tim Pawlenty in this campaign.
When a candidate does not fare well in Iowa or
New Hampshire
under our current system, he is under intense pressure to leave the race. This
assumes, though, that voters in Idaho , California , New
Mexico and other states would vote similarly. The
media presumes any candidate who does not succeed early in a primary race dead
in the water, and donors lose incentive to give to his campaign. Voters truly do not get a choice. They must,
instead, choose from a list made shorter by voters in other states—who have
different concerns.
I hope I have explained my rationale for writing this piece more
clearly to you. If not, please feel free to challenge further.
BJ
comments on “Simple Solutions to a Persistent Problem Part One: The Debates.”
His comments are in blue. Mine are in green.
Joe,
I was clapping as I read your blog. THIS IS SO TRUE AND NEEDED!! It's frustrating to see the MSNBC idiots and the rest of the liberal media trying to ignite a fire for ratings and for their bias of the candidates stumbling. I LOVE the idea of think tanks and conservative organizations holding the debates. The only thing is to make sure that there are fair and substantive challenges so that the public doesn't see and think that these are scripted and planned softballs being thrown at the candidates. I'm not so hot on the idea of the one on one since it would to too difficult to coordinate and would take too long to digest. (You and I would love it, but not the public. I don't think they can stomach 2 hours of Ron Paul and Huntsman) I also heard that Heritage lecture about Reagan vs. Buckley debate about thePanama
Canal . We should petition RNC Chairman Priebus regarding this
idea. I look forward to your second suggestion.
I was clapping as I read your blog. THIS IS SO TRUE AND NEEDED!! It's frustrating to see the MSNBC idiots and the rest of the liberal media trying to ignite a fire for ratings and for their bias of the candidates stumbling. I LOVE the idea of think tanks and conservative organizations holding the debates. The only thing is to make sure that there are fair and substantive challenges so that the public doesn't see and think that these are scripted and planned softballs being thrown at the candidates. I'm not so hot on the idea of the one on one since it would to too difficult to coordinate and would take too long to digest. (You and I would love it, but not the public. I don't think they can stomach 2 hours of Ron Paul and Huntsman) I also heard that Heritage lecture about Reagan vs. Buckley debate about the
BJ,
I am very happy that you like this idea as much
as I do. I’m also very happy that you had a chance to view or listen to the
Heritage Foundation event. (Here is a
link to it, for any of my readers who would like to listen.) Dr. Lee Edwards is an absolute treasure. When I see his
name attached to any papers or events at Heritage, I immediately consume it and
never regret having done so. There are a lot of great folks at Heritage, Dr.
Lee Edwards and Matthew Spalding are among my favorites.
It is so clearly unfair that the liberal media can question Democrat
candidates and Republican candidates alike. They get to frame the issues and
force our candidates into narrow categories. Even Fox News—considered by many
to be a conservative news source—has a greater interest in scandal and ratings
than does the Republican electorate at large.
I believe that think tanks would serve as much better organizations
to host Republican debates. In fact, I am certain that their questions would be
anything but softballs. I would expect a think tank like the Heritage
Foundation to ask some of the important “worldview” questions that are most
important to conservatives—questions that would elucidate the true convictions
of Republicans like Mitt Romney, Jon Huntsman and John McCain. Think, too, of
how different debates would be if Republicans had to sit before the Cato
Institute! Surely, they would receive no quarter there. The most important
thing is that we, as voters, would truly get a sense of how the prospective
presidents draw conclusions: what informs them, how libertarian they are, how traditional
they are.
Also, I think that in-depth one-on-one interviews or debates between two or three
candidates could work. If, for example, instead of seeing single debates with 8
or 9 candidates on stage, there were 4 debates taking place simultaneously
(i.e.: Gingrich v. Paul, Bachmann v. Perry, Huntsman v. Romney, Cain v.
Santorum ), the voters would be able to see the candidates at their
intellectual best. There would be no room for soundbytes, slogans or pernicious
jabs.
Now, the important question you raise about audience appeal—an issue
raised at the Heritage Foundation event, is a deep one (one to which I should
devote an entire essay). My short
response, however, is this: You may very well be right, that the general public
may not be keen on digesting one-on-one debates. (You give the example of Huntsman
v. Paul—a debate that I would probably skip, myself.) From my vantage point,
though, most of the general public is, also, not very politically engaged. Not
to be too blunt, but I don’t really care about accommodating the people who
wait until a week before the election to read a pamphlet about the candidates
and then vote. Debates should serve the truly dedicated politicos—folks like
us, and many people who read this blog. That said, there will always be an
avenue for the less serious political junkies to get their fix for
salaciousness—entertainment news media that covers political events, etc. There
will also be plenty of resources for people who are new to politics to learn
more, so that they aren’t completely in the cold and overwhelmed.
To some degree, though, your question is like a variation of the
proverbial “If a tree falls in a forest” question. “If an enlightening debate
occurs at a think tank and no one is around to be enlightened, what good is
it?” The only answer I have to that question may not be a particularly
satisfying one, but it is: that at the very least, the debates could be used to
get a better sense of who the candidates and presidents were and how they
thought. They would be like transcripts of the Lincoln-Douglas debates are today.
Sometimes, I watch the old Bush-Reagan debates, but then again, I’m a political
nerd.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts, BJ.
Anonymous has left a new
comment on "Explaining Deadlock". Anonymous’ comments are in
yellow. Mine are in green.
Your post seems like a great illustration of the difference between advocacy and argument. Most Democrats believe that congressional deadlock (in this current Congress) exists, not because of a divide in core convictions, but because the Republicans don't want to take actions that would be likely to substantially improve the national economy in advance of the 2012 elections. A conservative acting as an advocate for his side would not address this (fairly wide-spread) belief. A conservative intending to engage in argument would.
Thank you for
commenting Anonymous,
You are right to
claim that most Democrats believe that Congressional deadlock is the result of
Republican recalcitrance, in fact, I actually agree—in part. Where you and I
may disagree pertains to policy analysis. You believe that the policies that
the Democrats are proposing are “likely to substantially improve the national
economy.” I, the Republicans and millions of American voters, firmly disagree.
We believe that President Obama’s Jobs Bill, for example, will actually make
America’s matters worse. For this reason, the Republicans are staunching
efforts the Democrats are making that will (in our view) detriment the American
economy.
Here is where I
disagree with the Democrats: to pretend that the Republicans are refusing to
cooperate for reasons other than core convictions, is to ascribe a motive that
is not only impossible to prove, but is also not supported by the evidence.
Republicans have always resisted the kind of federal spending and regulation
that President Obama and the Democrats support. Even when they strayed from
fiscal responsibility during the Bush years, you could find Republicans who
were openly displeased.
Moreover, when an
election is as seismic as the 2010 election, or the 2006 and 2008 elections,
the new politicians have a mandate to stop the policies of the party in power.
I hope that I
have proven myself to be a conservative interested in argumentation. Please
challenge further otherwise.
1 comment:
Joe,
Phenomenal job in all your comments. I loved reading all of them. I've been meaning to write you about this for a while. Your following words have been ringing in my head ever since I've read them. Particularly the following about my assertion that the GOP has been moving to the left:
"On core issues—issues that matter to conservatives and to the country—the Republican Party has remained steadfast and principled. I see no leftward drift or flirtation with liberalism.
In addition to that point, you and I also differ as to whom we should embrace in the party. I am a big tent Republican, one who supports moderates, libertarians, traditionalists, and the reddest red meat that can win. If we purge Republicans who are not ideologically pure, then we become the Democrats—a party that will not allow dissention, individuality or fresh ideas (even misguided ones). We must always encourage debates and new ideas. We need to debate our own—folks like Mark Kirk—and let them know that this party is a conservative one.
Finally, I am a believer that we should not expect our politicians to be cookie cutters. A Republican in Maine will not hold the same views as one in Mississippi. The states consist of different people who demand different policies of their politicians."
I think I'm coming around to your point of view on my claim of the GOP moving to the left. These arguments you make are so true and powerful, they ring truth with me. I'm going to chew on it and let it percolate in my head.
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